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Subj: [IRELAND] Re:More on Mouth Music
Date: 7/4/00 5:42:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: candeec@email.msn.com (candeec)
To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com
Hey Beryl, I need a refresher course from my Celtic Music 240 course.......
I found a couple of sights for you. Yes, it is called lilting and diddling
and a variety of other terms and some people also feel there is a close
relationship to African music, chanting. This site
www.clannada.org/reviews/mmusic.html lists an album that includes a 63
page history of mouth music and www.ancientireland.com/cd-04-2000.htm
lists a popular recording artist and some other artists you might be able to
find. My spelling needs a refresher too, the correct spelling is puirt a
beul. Brightest blessings, Candice
Beryl, Hi. Mouth music sprang up I think from the prohibitions that were in
force against not only the Irish language, but also traditional Irish
music - hence, the music made with one's mouth became the "instrument" used
to supply the music for dancing. Hence, the words are not that important -
it is more important to keep the music flowing, the beat regular for the
dancers. Perhaps if you looked under the term, Puert a Beul or could find
recordings of Mactalla, this might help some. Brightest blessings, Candice
Subj: Re: [IRELAND] Mouth Music
Date: 7/4/00 6:23:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time
From: jlyons1@iol.ie (Jane Lyons)
To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com
Beryl,
What are the chances that you are talking about sean-nós singing?
Besides the fact that it is the oldest recognised form of Irish traditional
singing that know of - I quote from 'Traditional Music in Ireland' Tomás
ÓCanainn - ISBN 0 7100 0021 9 publ. 1978 (out of print)
"It is the author's belief that no aspect of irish music can be fully
understood without a deep appreciationof sean-nós (old style) singing. It is
the key which opens every lock. Without a sound knowledge of the sean-nós
and a feeling for it a performer has no hope of knowing what is authentic
and what is not in playing and decorating an air. I the same way a listener
who is not steeped in the sean-nós tradition will be unable fully to assess
even an instrumental performance of an air becuase the style of playing is
so much affected by the implications of the language."
"What is sean-nós singing? It is a highly personal vocal art form which has
been passed on from generation to generation of traditional Irish singers."
"it must be emphasised that sean-nós singin is a solo art in which words and
music are equally vital. The language is of course, Irish and the sean-nós
is only completely at ease, as it were in an Irish speaking situation where
the singer and his listener are in real communication. In many instances the
performer is singing of peopel and places known to the listener in a
locality. One thinks of the sone 'Cailleach and Airgead' (The Rich Old Hag)
sung in Connemara, where most of the singers would know the identity of the
lady referred to in the first line, 'Sí do Mhaimeo í' ("She is your Granny)
and some of them are in fact related to her"
I think you'll get the idea of what sean-nós is from what is said above -
specially if you know Irish music at all.
There's a whole chapter in this bok devoted to sean-nós, talking about it -
listing songs in Irish and with the translation , songs realted to areas and
also some music.
sean-nós is the Irish equivalent of rap I guess :-) Telling a story thru so
ng, making fun or people thru song, talking of love - lost, living, death,
pain, history - It's like a seana chaoi sitting and talking to people except
using music - some would not consider this 'music' - they can drone away and
yes, you mention lilting and diddling - they'd be ways of describing the
sounds produced I guess.
Let me know if you think this is what you're looking for the info on - and I
can let you have what I have.
Jane :-)
Subj: Re: [IRELAND] Irish music
Date: 7/9/00 12:15:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time
From: mull035@attglobal.net
Reply-to: mull035@attglobal.net
To: IRELAND-L@rootsweb.com
Hi,
If you can't get to the Mother Land, there are a few books: "Ballads
from the Pubs of Ireland," Volumes 1, 2, and 3, by James Healey. Each
book costs about $10 US and has between 40 to 45 songs. The first two
have a story with each song, while the last has less information per
song.
Most songs in these three books are in English, but many list the Irish
words, too. If you want Irish songs in Irish, there is "Ceolta Gael."
Volumes 1 and 2 by Mánus Ó Baoill. Each contains about 100 songs and
costs about $10.
I got mine through special order from a local music store, but I've seen
them advertised elsewhere.
John Mullen
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